Episode #24:

Why You Need a Life Coach to Lose Weight with Wendy Crabbe

Have you ever found yourself eating well during the day but when the evening arrives, a flip switches and you eat whatever you can find in the pantry?! Food is everywhere in our society; we’re constantly surrounded by it. So how do we manage our relationship with it? That’s where a Life Coach comes in!

Today’s guest, certified Life and Weight Loss Coach Wendy Crabbe, joins me to talk about why despite food being such a prominent part of our lives, weight loss is only 20% about the food and 80% about our thoughts and feelings towards it. Interesting, right? Wendy explains how she created a plan to lose weight that fit around her lifestyle and lost 55lb in just one year. She’s here to show you how you can do it too!

Tune in this week where we’ll discuss why a healthy eating plan doesn’t have to mean being deprived of all the delicious things you love. We’ll talk about the relationship between hormones and weight loss, and why working with a Life Coach can help you lose excess weight, once and for all. If you want to lose weight, gain energy, and become the best, virtuosa version of yourself, you won’t want to miss this episode!

WHAT YOU’LL DISCOVER

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How to come up with a weight loss plan to work for you and your lifestyle.

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Why a life coach is the key ingredient in losing weight.

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The reasons you might be struggling to lose weight.

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Why reducing your sugar intake will have immense benefits.

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The importance of incorporating fats into your diet.

FEATURED ON THE SHOW

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TRANSCRIPT

Susan Crockett: Welcome to Becoming Virtuosa, the podcast, with Dr. Susan Crockett. You are listening to episode number 24: Why you need a life coach to lose weight. An interview with fellow Certified Life and Weight Loss Coach, Wendy Crabbe. This episode is dedicated to all those struggling with their weight.

Female Announcer: Welcome to Becoming Virtuosa, where women learn to love their lives. Do you find yourself frustrated by society’s expectations? Looking for practical advice on how to discover your talents and level up your life? You’ve found the right place. Here’s your host, US News top doctor, robotic surgeon and Certified Life Coach, Dr. Susan Crockett.

Susan Crockett: Hello, my virtuosas. I am your host, Dr. Susan Crockett, you can call me Sue. I am having a delightful day today, having a nice interview with my friend and fellow coach, Wendy Crabbe. I am so grateful to be here today. Yesterday I was out on the lake, I think last time or the time before I had my girlfriends out on the lake and that was fun.

And yesterday I went out with my boys, it was significantly different. But the amazing thing about it – well, anyway, background, I have five boys actually, and one daughter, but that’s a whole another story. My daughter’s the oldest of all of them and she’s the queen bee, she’s awesome, they’re all awesome.

But yesterday I was out on the lake with son number two and son number three, who are my third and fourth children, it gets complicated. And they are almost 19 and 17 years old. So they really like the idea of learning how to drive the boat, and they’re totally into weight boarding and being rowdy on the inner tube tubing.

So in New Braunfels, Texas, which is where we are, there are two different kinds of tubing, for those of you not familiar with the water sports in Texas. So one type of tubing I’ve talked about before, and that’s the kind where you get in a big fat truck inner tube and you float down the river, and it’s really relaxing and fun.

And then the other type of tubing is totally not, it’s basically a big huge inner tube that’s covered with canvas, and this inner tube that we have is like five feet across, it’s got all these little handles on it. And you tie a rope to the back of a boat to the tube and you throw two teenage boys on. And then you have fun making them scoot across the water and try to flip them off, not flipping them off like the bird, but flipping them off the tube as they pop over the wake. So it’s great fun, they laugh hysterically, we all had a good time.

So I went tubing on the lake with my boys yesterday and when we were all done it was really hot, it was a 100 degrees here. So we anchored the boat and we all jumped into the water. And the water in this lake, you all, is like nothing you’ve ever seen. It is clear, beautiful, like turquoise color, the lake is 90 feet deep in some places. It’s just the freshest, most beautiful, glorious place to swim.

And I just sat there for a minute on the little dock on the back of the boat and I was like, “Guys, you all should bring me out here every week, make me play football with you all and swim. And I would be so healthy, I would be in such better shape. I would be so much better for going skiing with you all in the winter.” And they just laughed and we threw the football around a little bit and played with each other in the water and it was just a gorgeous day and gorgeous surroundings. And I was just struck for a moment about how grateful I was for all of it, just I was really present in the moment.

And it gave me such a blessing, I don’t know how else to describe it, just to sit there for a minute in the beauty and the joy and laughter of my kids in the water, and just the day. It was like, I want to remember that forever. So that’s what I’ve been up to.

I’m excited about talking today about why you need a life coach for weight loss. I know we’ve had a couple of segments on weight loss before, but this one’s going to be a little bit different. Wendy is actually an oncology nurse, she’s a practicing oncology nurse practitioner, so, highly educated, very similar kind of medical background to me. And we decided that we’re going to talk not only about why a life coach is the key ingredient for helping you successfully lose and keep the weight off. But also a little bit more about the hormones and the medicine behind it.

So lots of times I have patients come into my office, they are often wanting to have their hormones tested. And usually when they’re concerned about weight loss, they are looking for a thyroid disorder, like everybody hopes they have a thyroid disorder, so that I can just give them medicine and fix it. Or their ovarian hormones, their female hormones, so they’re wondering if they’re close to menopause, what their estrogen and progesterone is doing, maybe we can just do a pill there and fix it.

And lots of times there are things that we can do to support hormones and weight loss. But the type of hormones that we’re going to talk about today are the hormones that are specifically related to your metabolism, your glucose metabolism and fat gain and weight loss. So I hope you’ll enjoy the show today and here’s Wendy.

Hey, Wendy, how are you doing?

Wendy Crabbe: Great, Sue.

Susan Crockett: I’m so glad to have you on the podcast today.

Wendy Crabbe: I’m super excited.

Susan Crockett: The thing that we’re going to talk about today, you know, we’ve had a couple of podcasts about weight loss and eating. But the thing that we’re going to talk about today with you that I think is so important for our listeners. And especially as a physician, I’ve been wanting to discuss for a little bit, is our hormones and their effect on eating. I think there is a lot of room to clear up some misunderstandings and learn about that today. So I am really excited about you coming on and chatting with us about that today.

Wendy Crabbe: Right, me too.

Susan Crockett: Yeah. But first before we get to that, why don’t you tell us a little bit about your story, who are you, where are you from, how did you get to Life Coach School and certification and, specifically, into this part of the coaching world?

Wendy Crabbe: Sure. Well, I’m Wendy Crabbe, and I’m a Certified Life and Weight Loss Coach. But before that I was a woman in her 50s who struggled with weight her entire life, gained and lost the same 30 pounds over and over. And then I was also struggling with a lot of my relationships and really wanted to work on myself. And I found I had been listening to some podcasts and I found the Life Coach School and she had all these programs on weight loss, on how to work on yourself and your relationships.

And so I joined the Life Coach School and I joined mainly for the weight program. And that was phenomenal, I lost 55 pounds over one year.

Susan Crockett: Goodness gracious.

Wendy Crabbe: And have kept 45 pounds off, so.

Susan Crockett: Yeah. You would never know looking at you today that you struggled with weight in that way. And yeah, I think that’s kind of hard sometimes when our listeners start going for weight loss things. They want to take coaching from somebody who looks like they’re healthy and is not overweight. But there’s also something distrustful a little bit about that, if they haven’t actually walked the walk and talked the talk like you have. So I think that’s awesome because you’ve got a lot of experience with this, and you look great.

Wendy Crabbe: Thank you. And I feel great, and that’s the thing is when I was dieting and doing all these crazy diets, low fat and everything that they told us to do, high intensity exercise. I was miserable, I was hungry all the time, or I was on Weight Watchers four different times. And I couldn’t lose more than a half a pound a week, and that was so frustrating to me, because I have two master’s degrees.

Susan Crockett: Wait, wait, what?

Wendy Crabbe: And I’m like why I can’t I do this? Yeah.

Susan Crockett: Wait. What are your degrees in? I didn’t know this.

Wendy Crabbe: I have my master’s as a clinical nurse specialist in oncology, and a master’s as a nurse practitioner.

Susan Crockett: That’s incredible. You know what, I think I knew that, when we first met a long time ago. But thanks for reminding me, and especially our listeners. You’re not somebody that doesn’t understand or doesn’t have the intellectual capability of understanding the basics of weight loss, and you still struggled.

Wendy Crabbe: I struggled terribly.

Susan Crockett: Yeah, me too, me too.

Wendy Crabbe: I would come home from work, I would eat everything in the pantry, and cook dinner and eat that and have a glass of wine, and have dessert. And this was a daily occurrence, and even when I ate well during the day, but then I stress ate at night.

Susan Crockett: You know what, that is a story I hear over and over again from my patients, because a lot of the patients that I see have day jobs. And it’s kind of gotten interrupted with the COVID stuff. But the classic story is they have a day job and they do pretty well during the day and then they get home at night and everything is fair game because they’re tired.

Wendy Crabbe: That’s right, they just want to numb everything.

Susan Crockett: Yeah, and eat because they’re hungry and they’ve been delaying. And most of the patients that I see also are educated and they have jobs and they’re smart women, and they – I forgot where I was going with that.

Wendy Crabbe: They’re successful in every other area of their life but weight loss.

Susan Crockett: Yeah, and why is that? Because they’re smart women, but they’re also – this is where I was going with it. They know how to delay gratification, which seems the opposite of somebody that has an eating problem. But a lot of the women that I work with are super smart, they know how to delay gratification, they put it off, they can work all day. But it only can get delayed so long and then they’re like, okay, I can’t hold it anymore, right?

Wendy Crabbe: Right, that’s because they’re using willpower.

Susan Crockett: Yeah. So what are you going to teach us today that’s different from that, that’s going to work?

Wendy Crabbe: Right. Well, I always thought that my weight struggle later on was because of my hormones or lack of hormones.

Susan Crockett: Right, because you transitioned into menopause and they see that as like…

Wendy Crabbe: Right. And I went into menopause fairly early at age 46.

Susan Crockett: Wow. That is young.

Wendy Crabbe: And I was just like, forget it, I’m never going to be able to lose it and keep it off. And I almost totally gave up and decided that I was just going to be a person who was overweight. But I work in healthcare, and I wanted to be an example for my patients.

Susan Crockett: That’s amazing. So you did this even after menopause?

Wendy Crabbe: Yes, I did, I did at age 56.

Susan Crockett: Wow. That is a great story. Okay, tell us how you did it, what do you know?

Wendy Crabbe: So I decreased my sugar, and flour, and processed foods, and I ate lots of vegetables and I ate fat. That’s the difference, before I ate low fat everything, but low fat everything has more added sugar for the taste.

Susan Crockett: That makes sense, yeah.

Wendy Crabbe: Right. And so that’s what we were taught, that’s what we were taught as kids and growing up. And they did studies and they said, “Eat a low fat diet and high intensity exercise.” But that didn’t help people lose weight even in the studies. But that, you know, nobody really looked at that, took a look at the science and the evidence, even though there wasn’t evidence for that they still touted it, because they didn’t know what else to tell people.

Susan Crockett: Wow. Well, so a lot of times we, in our sessions with my patients we talk about eating low carb, or cutting out the processed foods. There is a lot of pretty clear evidence about cutting out your processed meats, is carcinogens, cutting out the processed foods that have a bunch of additives that have things in and that they’re not good for you.

A lot of times in my office we’ll talk about looking for meat products in particular that don’t have estrogen hormones, stimulation growth hormone because there’s so major studies that have shown that that’s getting into our bodies through our diet too. So I encourage people to look for sources that are hormone free. But it’s not just the direct hormones in our food, I think you’re onto something with the cutting down the sugar and the flour. But boy, that’s a really hard sell, that’s a hard thing to tell my patients.

Wendy Crabbe: Yes, it is. And the main reason is because they don’t want to feel deprived, that’s the number one reason why people don’t stick to a healthy eating plan. They’re afraid that they’re going to feel deprived. But what they don’t know is that when you add more fat to your meals then you feel full longer and then you don’t feel so deprived.

And one reason why people feel deprived is because when they eat a lot of sugar their brain lights up with dopamine and says, “I want more, I want more.” And a lot of times you can just say, “That looks good.” And you’re anticipating, and then the dopamine goes off. So when you decrease the sugar and the flour and those kinds of things, you have less cravings.

Susan Crockett: Fascinating. If you can get through the initial?

Wendy Crabbe: If you can get through, and most of the time it takes only about two weeks is what I have found.

Susan Crockett: So when you’re talking about using fats instead, I bet you’re not talking about eating bacon?

Wendy Crabbe: You can eat bacon in smaller amounts, the non…

Susan Crockett: Yeah?

Wendy Crabbe: Yeah, the non-cured and better for you kind of bacon, uncured bacon. But it’s better to do more healthy fats, olive oil, avocados.

Susan Crockett: I love avocados.

Wendy Crabbe: Right. You can have full butter.

Susan Crockett: Really, butter?

Wendy Crabbe: Yeah, full butter, instead of the processed stuff.

Susan Crockett: Like not the margarine or They Think it’s Butter?

Wendy Crabbe: Not the margarine or anything, it’s better to have like a tablespoon of butter on your vegetables.

Susan Crockett: And what about nuts and milk product, dairy stuff?

Wendy Crabbe: And nuts definitely, I eat full fat Greek yogurt and it’s delicious, it’s 5%.

Susan Crockett: Yeah, which isn’t much.

Wendy Crabbe: So it has a lot of protein in it and I make some delicious lunches that way with walnuts in it, so I eat the walnuts, I eat the full fat Greek yogurt, and then I add fruits.

Susan Crockett: Amazing. And you look like this, this is cool, I like this.

Wendy Crabbe: Yes. And that was the key for me, is I didn’t feel so deprived and I’d lost a ton of fat that way, which doesn’t make any sense at all.

Susan Crockett: It’s counterintuitive, isn’t it? So tell me a little bit about the science behind this, why does this work this way?

Wendy Crabbe: Because when we eat six small meals a day, like I grew up believing that we had to do to lose weight. What happens, when you eat so often and have all those little snacks throughout the day is your insulin levels stay high. Your insulin is a fat storage hormone.

Susan Crockett: So every time you’re eating something you’re bumping your insulin level up, right?

Wendy Crabbe: That’s right, so it stays high all day long. So if you’re already overweight and you keep eating those little meals all throughout the day, even if it’s healthy food, anything that we eat will cause your insulin levels to go up. So instead of burning fat, letting your body – the insulin go back down between meals, we keep it up like this, high. And when we eat less often, like only two or three meals a day our insulin levels can go back down.

Susan Crockett: They can drop.

Wendy Crabbe: And I was afraid to let myself be hungry, so I didn’t know what that felt like.

Susan Crockett: Fascinating.

Wendy Crabbe: And then when I finally learned what it was like to be hungry when I ate two meals a day and it was amazing to me. And I learned that I could be a little hungry and wait a little while to eat and it wouldn’t kill me.

Susan Crockett: And that’s going to be fine because our bodies and our brains just go, hungry, I’m hungry, I’m going to die if I don’t eat. And one thing that I’ve struggled with a lot in just being a physician and working is particularly in OB. We never knew when we were not going to get to eat because there was a baby coming or something like that. So very early in my training we would go and eat large amounts and then we would eat every chance that we got. I mean it’s a miracle I’m not heavier than I am actually.

But what that’s translated into now, even though I’m not doing that kind of work anymore and my work is more scheduled, my clinic days are still very long and so are my surgeries. I can’t just stop when I get hungry and eat. And so I’ve had to really watch that thought process of I have to eat now even if I’m not hungry, and I have to eat a lot so that I won’t be hungry at the end of my shift. I’m working on trusting that I’m going to have a little Babybel cheese or a little snack, that’s going to be fine.

And even if I get hungry I’m not going to die, my mind and my body think they are, but I can just tell them to go like dine in, I’ve got plenty of fat to metabolize.

Wendy Crabbe: Right. We do, we have plenty of fat stores.

Susan Crockett: And if I can let it sit for just a minute then the fat store will start kicking in, I’ll get a little ketogenic, and that’s the opposite of the high insulin levels.

Wendy Crabbe: Right. And that’s what ended up happening. So when I decrease my sugar and flour and increase my fruits and vegetables and healthy protein, some grains occasionally and more fat, I felt full. So I was okay just eating two meals a day and it wasn’t an emergency when I got hungry. And I lost probably about 20% body fat.

Susan Crockett: Wow, that’s a staggering number, Wendy.

Wendy Crabbe: Right. And it was because I was dining in and I was letting my body use its own fat for fuel. I think I was insulin resistant, which means your insulin levels just stay high all the time. And so I didn’t know when I was hungry or full, so there’s two other hormones that become – that don’t work very well when our insulin levels are always high, which is our hunger hormone, the ghrelin.

Susan Crockett: I know, I love that name, it sounds like the goblin, like the hunger goblin, the ghrelin.

Wendy Crabbe: Right. Well, I think of it like grr, when you’re hungry, grr ghrelin. And then the leptin which tells you when you’re full and no longer hungry. So those hormones are also out of whack when our insulin levels are always high. So when those start to normalize then we’re like, “I don’t need to have this right now, I can wait a little longer and it’s okay, I’m not going to die.” So that’s why intermittent fasting is what I do on a – that’s how I lost the weight and that’s how I’ve kept my weight off. I love eating that way, I feel I have more energy.

And you might think, well, if you don’t eat from 6:00pm to noon the next day, that’s 18 hours, I thought breakfast was the most important meal of the day. Well, it’s not necessarily. So there are people that want to eat three meals a day, so if that’s you and you want to do that, that’s fine. People can do whatever they need to do. But for me and for my hormone situation and regulating the insulin that is what worked for me.

Susan Crockett: So I want to back up a little bit and talk just a little bit about what intermittent fasting is, because I see that word thrown all over Facebook these days and I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding about what it is. It’s something that I teach my patients and I have been experimenting in different ways on myself. So just give us a good definition of what intermittent fasting is and what it’s not.

Wendy Crabbe: Sure. So intermittent fasting is basically you fast every night when you go to sleep.

Susan Crockett: We do, we all fast every night.

Wendy Crabbe: We all fast every night, so the last time you ate to the time that you break your fast in the morning or breakfast, that’s where breakfast came from, that your body’s fasting.

Susan Crockett: Wait. Don’t skip over that. That’s where break fast, breakfast?

Wendy Crabbe: Breakfast came from, that’s where the word came from.

Susan Crockett: Was break the fast? No kidding. I didn’t know that. Okay, so all of us fast overnight when we sleep anyway, so that’s not scary.

Wendy Crabbe: No, that’s not scary. And so what you’re doing when you’re – when I don’t eat from 6:00pm until noon the next day I’m just increasing the time that I’m fasting. And I’m letting my body use my own fat for fuel.

Susan Crockett: Okay. And then you picked a window for eating between 12 and 6 o’clock?

Wendy Crabbe: Right.

Susan Crockett: That one I have been working on. I usually, when I’m doing this I do coffee in the morning, but I’m not eating any carbs or putting sugar in it or anything. And then I naturally get hungry around 10 or 11 o’clock. So it is not difficult for me to go until 10 or 11 o’clock.

And so my fasting window goes from like 6:00pm the night before, which is when I finish dinner to about 10 or 11 the next day. And I can eat a good meal and I don’t have to be super strict about whether it’s 11 o’clock or noon, because sometimes my lunch hour is different than others. And then that gets me through most of the afternoon and then I eat dinner around 5 or 6 o’clock. So we’re not calorie depriving in this type of fasting, in fact you’re going to eat the same number of calories that you would have spread out over the day, it’s just…

Wendy Crabbe: That’s exactly right.

Susan Crockett: …bunching it into. So there’s all kinds of different fasts, a lot of them are like no food or water only. I’m not even going to go into all the different kinds of fasts, but the point is we’re not calorie or nutrition depriving at all when we do it this way.

Wendy Crabbe: Not at all, and you get to decide what works for you. And that’s the best part is you get to decide what your eating window is. But the beauty of it is it saves a lot of time. And you don’t have less energy doing it either.

Susan Crockett: Interesting, but saves the time because you’re not spending so much time preparing and thinking about.

Wendy Crabbe: Preparing, then eating, and thinking about what you’re going to eat next, which is another thing that I wanted to talk about, which is that was the true secret to my success which is planning meals ahead of time.

Susan Crockett: And this is where a coach can come in and be really helpful. Okay, so tell us a little bit about why the life coach is so important in being successful in all of this, because we’ve talked about all the physiology and the eating. And well, if I know all of that, why do I need you, why do I need a life coach to help me?

Wendy Crabbe: I think what’s interesting is that we beat ourselves up for failures in the past, instead of using what worked in the past and building on that.

Susan Crockett: Yeah, that’s true.

Wendy Crabbe: So that’s what a coach can help bring to the table, is help you figure out, I don’t tell people exactly what to eat. But I help them develop a plan that’s going to work for them, their health and their lifestyle.

Susan Crockett: So they get to work through it with you, you’re helping them tease out those bits that are helpful. I love that.

Wendy Crabbe: And then what happens is when you decide that you’re going to eat less or not eat a certain food that day, you’re going to still want that food. And when that comes up I also give people tools to how to deal with cravings, how to avoid stress eating, what to do instead. And planning for specific events, because food is everywhere in our society.

Susan Crockett: Yeah, I can’t get away from it, it’s not like a gambling addiction or…

Wendy Crabbe: Right. Everything is surrounded by food, yeah.

Susan Crockett: Yeah. So we have to eat, we can’t just give it up completely and go cold turkey.

Wendy Crabbe: That’s right, that’s right. But we don’t have to use the event, like the 4th of July as a tool to overeat. We can use it to stay on plan or I also advocate having a joy eat once a week or twice a week, whatever people like to do, where you pick a food that you’ve been craving and have it. Whether it’s an ice-cream sundae, enjoy the heck out of it, instead of eating it real fast in the pantry.

Susan Crockett: Right. From the scarcity deprivation model, right?

Wendy Crabbe: Right, right.

Susan Crockett: I love that idea. Those are great ideas. Okay, Wendy, it’s been great having you on the show today, so much great information around this. You’re so knowledgeable and I just love hearing what you have to say about all this. What would you want to leave our listeners with if you have a final thought for them?

Wendy Crabbe: You bet. Thank you for having me on.

Susan Crockett: You’re welcome.

Wendy Crabbe: So for weight loss it’s really only 20% about the food, because otherwise if it was only about the food we could all be thin. It’s 80% how we think and feel about food and all the old thoughts and beliefs in our childhood, expectations around food.

Susan Crockett: All of those things.

Wendy Crabbe: And using food as entertainment, stress, eating everything. So that’s what it is and that’s why you need a life coach, to help you navigate all of those areas.

Susan Crockett: Very cool. So our listeners know that we’re doing this series of interviewing our coaches that are working with us. So they know they can find you through virtuosacoaching.com. But where else can they find you? Tell us a little bit more about the extra programs you have and where they could reach you if they wanted to do some specialized work with you.

Wendy Crabbe: Sure. So my website is www.weightlosswithwendy.coach. And I have a four week quick start weight loss guide that I’ve developed for people that want to rip the band-aid off and get rolling right away. And then I also have an eight week healthy habit challenge for people that want to do it a little slower and change one habit at a time, because we’re all different in what we want to do.

Susan Crockett: And we all have to find what works for us and that’s where you can help us.

Wendy Crabbe: That’s exactly right.

Susan Crockett: Well, that is awesome, we’ll make sure that we put all of those links in the notes to the show below so that if you as the listeners want to go and find Wendy or see the references that she’s talking about. All those links will be in our show. So, Wendy, thank you so much.

Wendy Crabbe: Thank you Sue, it was fun.

Susan Crockett: It’s been so much fun, yeah, see you.

What I’ve shown you today, we’ve talked a little bit about hormones and weight loss, and hopefully, now you understand a little bit more about why I’m so committed to life coaching as a way of learning to manage our brains. Learning to manage our thoughts and our minds and our brains is the key to moving forward with any big goal in our life. But specifically our long term weight management because it has so much to do with our ability to manage our mind more than our ability to manage what we put in our mouth.

There are lots of different diet plans, they all work, so what’s the key ingredient that’s missing? It’s the brain management.

So what were Wendy and I listening to and reading this week? I let Wendy choose most of this, this week. She’s listening to Doc Watkins, Jazz, TX. So that is what she’s listening to. You can find Doc Watkins on YouTube.

Also the Obesity Code is what she’s reading. Actually we have two books that she’s reading, one is the Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss by Dr. Jason Fung. Excellent book, it’s part one of the Wellness Code and I hope you’ll pick that up and enjoy it. Second book is Atomic Habits by James Clear, this is an excellent book about making small changes to change your habits.

And then I chose what I’m watching this week, I think I’m the last person in America to watch Hamilton, I had wanted to go see it on Broadway and had never gotten up to do that. So Disney+ is now streaming Hamilton, in case you haven’t heard about it. And if you haven’t seen it, it is amazing.

So next week we are doing something a little different, I’m very excited about it. We’re going to talk with Meg Tilton about how to be in control of your motherhood, that’s right. That’s right, ladies, we’re talking about motherhood. So any of you who have friends who are feeling out of control with their motherhood, tune in for my interview with Meg Tilton next week.

That’s all my virtuosas, I hope you have a great week. Love always, Sue. I will see you next week in episode 25.

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